The Reminder Remedy with Alena Conley

I'm a Mom but I'm Also A Person with Chrissy McGarry

• Alena Conley • Season 6 • Episode 64

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In this episode of The Reminder Remedy Podcast with host Alena Conley, we dive into an enriching conversation with Chrissy McGarry, a successful working mom who shares her experiences, challenges, and insights. We discuss various topics such as the importance of self-awareness, the need to create a healthy work-life harmony, and what it looks like to return to the workforce as a Mom of two.

Chrissy is the Chief Operating Officer for national security software company Second Front, blazing a new trail not only for defense tech leadership but also for female leadership. A force multiplier in the sales and marketing world, McGarry has parlayed her 12+ years of expertise in scaling big brands into the world of defense tech and startups. Fiercely driven in all that she sets out to accomplish, McGarry attributes this drive to her faith, her love of health and wellness, the foundational support offered by her husband, Matt, and becoming a mom to her sons Leo and Michael.

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Alena Conley, TRR:

Welcome to the Reminder Remedy Podcast. I'm your host, Alina Conley, a personal development expert and coach. This podcast is for leaders, innovators, and culture shifters. We explore personal growth, leadership development, and the journey towards a fulfilling life. With the aim of leading ourselves to effectively lead others through insightful interviews, discussions, and inspiring stories, we unlock the secrets to a better existence and a better world, whether you seek inspiration or practical guidance, I'm here to remind you of your incredible potential because everything you need is everything you got. Let's get into it. Alright, so we are going to be doing our first interview of the season. I am, um, excited about introducing a new format to you guys. So I'll be bringing on amazing guests this season. But in addition to that, after every guest interview, I will be having a recap after the interview with my producer, Monica Jackson, just to really talk about some of the things that stood out. For us in the conversations, as well as some actionable item and some coachable moments. And so in today's episode, I got a chance to talk to Chrissy McGarry. She is the chief operating officer at Second Front Systems, and she is a force multiplier for rapidly scaling businesses. So, having spent the last decade working with companies ranging from Red Bull to Motorola Solutions to Salesforce, Chrissy brings a combined sales, marketing, and management lens to drive impact at every growth stage. She is now applying her commercial and SaaS background toward national security challenges to accelerate the adoption of disruptive technologies by the U. S. government. Chrissy holds an MBA from the University of Notre Dame. She sits on the board for Christ Child Society and advises various technology startups. And so this was just a dope interview because Outside of this amazing bio and all of her work experience, um, we really spent most of our time talking about what it looks like to craft a life that you want, which includes all of the various domains from work to cultivating a honest and wholesome relationship with your partner, to then becoming a mother, a stay at home mother. Uh, go back to work mother. Um, and then really thinking about the impact that mothers have on our culture when it comes to what we allow to influence us between social media, um, and also just these undertones that still exist in even. the differences between gender roles that we see in a lot of families. And so it was a very robust conversation. Truly, truly enjoyed it. So I'm excited for you guys to hear from Christy today. Welcome back to yet another episode of the Reminder Remedy. We are into season six of the show as I talked about before this season, I really wanted to lean into what it looks like to not only lead ourselves, but really lead ourselves in a way that we become capable of leading others. And so I cannot think of anyone more exciting to interview than today's guest, Chrissy McGarry. So welcome to the show.

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Thank you. Happy to be here.

Alena Conley, TRR:

So let's just jump right in because when I think about your background and your experience it really. Looks like the journey that we talk about here at the Reminder remedy a lot that is about that personal transformation while, going into these risky spaces, so I know that you're in the tech space. More importantly, you're working in this like federal defense space, which is even like more robust in terms of the leadership skills needed to really get into an organization that supports that industry. But then A mom, you're a working mom, and so I think we're gonna have a really good conversation today, learning about you as the individual. You, Chrissy, the human as we, as I like Right? I'm still a human, I'm still a whole person. But then also what that looks like too. Build your journey. So let's just talk about when you think about defining working women in today's society, what does it look like? Because I think that, we've prescribed to this vision of like the woman, if you have a job, then you're like trying to do this balancing act, but ultimately you're just like burnt out all the time, right? That is the paradigm that we really have to still subscribe to?

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No, I think the reality, at least for me over my career having been. Single, running around, being able to give everything my all going through key learning experiences there. Having, found my husband, building a family, et cetera. It's definitely evolved for me. So I'll just share a quick story here. While I was at Motorola hustling, I had Indiana and Kentucky as my territory. So I had a lot of windshield time and I had a girlfriend. Catherine who came to me and she's Hey, you need some zen in your life. I was like, what do you mean? She goes, all you do is, leave Sunday, Monday, and then we see you maybe once over the weekend. All you do is work. You need to chill out and do something for yourself. So I was like, okay, whatever. So I went to a yoga class with her and what ended up happening is I fell in love with CorePower yoga. Then went through their teacher training program, became a teacher, aligned my work schedules that I could teach at 6:00 AM on Mondays, leave and get to, accounts and stuff. And then I tried to get back by Thursday nights that I could teach on Friday mornings at 6:00 AM And a year of doing that was when eventually I like was in town. Picked up random, classes where I met my husband. Then I was at, and at that point transitioned from Motorola to Salesforce. And then while at Salesforce was getting my MBA and I and so was my husband too. And at the time we were just engaged and he had an opportunity to move from Chicago to Detroit. And he looked at me and he said, Hey I'd really like to take this opportunity, but do you intend on. Climbing the corporate ladder here. And it was so interesting'cause my initial response to him was like, ah, I can't believe you'd asked me that. But in my heart of hearts and in my gut, I knew that just didn't sit right. Meaning when I looked around and saw what it took, that, traditional paradigm of you can't have it all. You either have to be, single and crushing it and climbing the corporate ladder or you're like. Just, just disheveled mother trying to keep it all together and missing all the things and failing your husband and your children, or you're divorced or you don't have any kids or anything going on because you are too focused at work. And I just, there was no one at the time, I didn't think it was possible, is what I'm trying to say. So I took. This like leap of faith of finishing out my MBA, leaving Salesforce becoming a, full-time mama stay at home mom with my first son and it was neat, second front fell into my lap. I was able to ramp in and now I'm at this point in my career where. I do feel like I have it all. And that's because it's taken a ton of work. What you just said at the beginning we have to lead ourselves before we can lead others. Like I had to take care of my work life. I call it work life harmony. Prior to being able to. I had to take care of all of that before I could take care of others, whether it's my husband, my boys, my coworkers, et cetera. So I don't think that should be the paradigm. But it does take a lot of work to figure out what it means for each individual.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Yeah. And I think that's honestly like the perfect starting point or the launching path of this conversation because. Most of the people who are listening, they have this desire to, live the life that they want. It's okay, I wanna do work, I wanna do meaningful work, but I also wanna have a family life. I also wanna kick And my husband. I wanna travel. And so when people come to me for one-on-one coaching, I would say 95% of the time, it looks like what you just described, where it's like. Here's the life that I want. Like these are the things that I care about, But everything that I care about essentially, is revolving around my job, and my job feels like so permanent in the sense of I. I don't have a ton of wiggle room. Like I have to be there. And that's just what it is. And I really am in this thought process. A lot of times they're in this thought process where they can't even see beyond traditional work spaces. Like I've dealt with like teachers for example, where they're like it's it is what it is. I'm a educator. I gotta be in the school building. And then we 12 months of coaching and then all of a sudden they realize oh wait. It's like 2024. There is remote work, there's remote learning. Are these different things that didn't exist when I first got my degree that could

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right.

Alena Conley, TRR:

set me up for bringing these things into my life that are very valuable to me. And talk to me about, when you think about a career move okay, I'm undoing my initial thought of going up the corporate ladder and now I'm gonna do things differently. Like, how did you determine, and maybe it wasn't a decision, maybe it just was like divine alignment, but what was that journey like? Kind of take me through the steps of

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Yeah,

Alena Conley, TRR:

per se.

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I had always known that. I'd always thought I knew that I would. Tackle my career in corporate America. First, get all of the training go through processes, learning, best practices within the industries that I was in. I was in the beverage industry for about five and a half years, and then got into tech. For me, I knew, okay, step one, I know I wanna have corporate experience to learn all of these things that obviously have worked for many organizations. Step two, I did know I want, I wanted to go back and continue my education and go get my MBA, my undergrad degree. It was a liberal arts, so it was theology and gender studies with a minor in Italian, so it had nothing to do with business. So as I was in the business world, I was like, you know what? I need. The business tool belt, so to speak, understand how to what questions to ask, how to best ask them to fully understand, the business of the business. So I knew I wanted to go back to school, so I was at that flection point in my career where here I was, over a decade into my career and all being, more traditional sales, marketing, managerial roles in corporate America. I'm getting my MBA for, from a great university. I found an amazing man that I wanna marry and start my family with, and fortunately for us, I was at a point where we weren't dependent on both of our incomes per se, and that I could, take a step away from working full-time to see if I. I wanted to be a full-time mom, and I knew if I didn't give myself that time to try it, I might've, maybe I would've always wondered. I lasted about three months. Every day around three o'clock, I would call my husband and ask him when he was gonna be home. Finally after three months of, after my son was born, three months later, he, Matt came home, my husband, and said, Hey we gotta talk. I was like, what's going on? He's I think you need to go back to work. I was like, what do you mean? It was this whole conversation and it was just this very raw experience of me knowing in my heart of hearts that in order for me to be. The mom I saw myself becoming and the wife that I wanted to be for my husband. There, there was like a void of sorts. And maybe that's the wrong word, but back to the harmony thing like. It just wasn't synchronized my, it didn't feel like I was in a flow or a groove. Some of what I was doing each day just felt forced and unnatural in a sense. And again, I know that is, not everyone has that flexibility in their life. Like I was able to actually try it. And then. I'd always thought about becoming, at the forefront of the beginning of a company at the very beginning stages of a company. And so I was then simultaneously blessed with the opportunity here at second front where I got to then ramp into it. So it was a good year of me taking on. Five hours, then 10 hours, then 20, then 40, then getting, debate negotiating full-time employment. So I was able some of those things that might be more stark decisions that you need to make. When going back to work like finding daycare and getting full-time help and all of that, I was able to wean into all of that and sequence it slowly and add days and, the separation from your kid, it wasn't like a very stark thing. It was slowly over time.

Alena Conley, TRR:

How

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So

Alena Conley, TRR:

That ramp up period was a year.

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it was about a year and a half.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Okay.

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Yeah. Because the company, was at the very early stages. At that point I was like, this thing might not even work, but at least I'm still working, was my, thought so.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Yeah. when you think about even the year or the three months to be a stay at home mom or going from two incomes to one, I think that, again, that feels scary for a lot of people and we know that there

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Oh my gosh.

Alena Conley, TRR:

don't even have Option,

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I didn't, I also moved to a new town that I didn't. Have any friends in granted, I did have some family close in the area, but like I was not, my husband had grown up in this area, but I did not have any, friends that I was coming into or anything like that. And because we were on own income, I was very, so I think that year, I don't know, I had like maybe four W twos. I like started my own company when I was doing consulting stuff on the side. I was a fitness instructor at two places. I was running around and helping, do various things. So I was trying to get involved in things, but it was stressful. It's cool, I'm in the Midwest, I'm in outside Detroit. It was funny, like when it was cold in the wintertime, mom was like, oh, why don't you take. The baby go walk around the mall. I was like, no.'cause I can't spend any money. I'm not making as much as, I was when I had a full-time role as a sales executive at Salesforce. I can't do that. Like my lifestyle has drastically changed. It was super stressful. And now, in a stable, more stability. But life, life happens, right? It was, it was not easy going through that transition. Also having people ask me whether or not I did wanna be full-time. Because there were moments where I was like, yes, and there were moments where I could like this half and half, but then it would get challenging too. It was a process and a journey just to be so honest.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Yeah.

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I don't think I have the answers for everyone, but

Alena Conley, TRR:

It's like you don't really know until, right? Like you don't know

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yeah.

Alena Conley, TRR:

be a full-time mom, or you wanna work, or like your soul is not really gonna speak to you until you just trust the process,

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It.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Think that even though going from two incomes to one is scary, it is doable, right? And I think Something that to me. If people have that option, it could be leveraged for these experiential periods. For me we, once I knew I. I'm in a season where even though I love the work that I do, like this is really like a mommy season because my children like need me to show up in a certain way. So like my oldest, he has some learning differences and so between all of the therapy appointments and the Therapy and half days of school, if I was working, I would not be able to give

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Do that.

Alena Conley, TRR:

whole version of me, right? And so when it was competing, he was like getting like this super stressed out mom who resented that he had all of this extra stuff. But then the moment that I just was like, I'm gonna slow down on the business, I'm gonna focus on Parker, then it became much easier for me to show up for him. He became like my, it was like a sacrifice because that is what, if I was in a coaching session and someone said, what are your top three values? Of course the first thing was always my kids, right? And so it was like, if I'm saying that these are my priority, why is. Why is that not showing up in the choices that I'm making for my

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They're making Right.

Alena Conley, TRR:

like we sold our house to move closer to the school that he needed to be in. We like we were basically on one and a half incomes because I really couldn't work because we have four different schools, four different learners, now that they're getting older and they don't need as much support from me. I am transitioning back to the workforce, like you said, that ramp up. I'm in my ramp up period. I started at 10 hours a week, 15 last year it was 20. This year, I'm actually doing more things in my practice in addition to my part-time thing. But I feel so much. feel proud of myself because I'm like, you did that shit like you did what you said you were gonna do. You said you wanted to Thing and you did your mom thing. And it was hard because I like to travel, like I like to take, I wanted to take my kids on like fancy spring break trips, but it was like that can't all happen. Like they can eventually do that, but it just can't all be in the same year.

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Yeah, there's, yeah,

Alena Conley, TRR:

people need to get honest with themselves and be like, for 2024, what's the thing? What are, so

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right.

Alena Conley, TRR:

I love how you said you did little things here and there, but what would you say was like that pool, so that three months where. Hubby came home and was like, Chrissy, girl, you gotta do something. Like what, what was happening in that moment? Were you doing, dealing with like postpartum or did he just see it like what was happening?

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I didn't have postpartum only because I did with my second, not with my first. I know the difference. I think it was just like here I was in this city. I left a killer job to come and do this thing and I more or less felt like I failed at it. And it just was. The reality of where we were at and where I was at, it enabled my husband to focus on his career at that point in time.'cause it's interesting, it was two years ago when my second was born. And he came to us 10 weeks early. So he was two and a half months early. He was a preemie that rocked our world. I was able to go out on leave for four months with him. But my husband was at this juncture then who's gonna help us with Michael?'cause we didn't want him to be in school full-time yet'cause he couldn't go just like health-wise, all that jazz. So he actually left his job for a full year and was stay at home dad. Fall of basically 2022. And then it wasn't until last fall that we finally found a nanny to help us out. So it's just like there's these moments in time and you just have these kind of gut feelings, I would say, and just realities that have presented themselves that force you to, make a decision and move through it. And I would say the number one thing, and I'm sure you can attest to this I would not have been able to do it without my husband. It's, he's been, so pivotal to all the success I've had, and I probably need to start talking. Stop talking about him right now because it'll make me cry.

Alena Conley, TRR:

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna help'cause I, now I gotta ask you about it because so I'm always like a little bit, and maybe this is like a vulnerable moment for me. I sometimes feel guilty my husband is so awesome, and the reason why That because majority of moms that I know struggle with feeling like they're parenting alone. Even when they do

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right.

Alena Conley, TRR:

a whole husband, because I do think that there is. Still some double standards out there or there're just things that, I have male friends that I've talked to one-on-one and they just don't really know what to do and like wife doesn't really know what to tell them how to do it. They just want'em to figure it

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Yeah.

Alena Conley, TRR:

it's just like a battle. And so in my household though, I always tell people, my husband. He had it from the beginning, like way more than me. Like he was more of the nurturer. So like his mom used to run like an in-home daycare when he was younger. He's the

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Cool.

Alena Conley, TRR:

of his siblings, whereas I'm the youngest of mine, but also my mother's only TA child. So like literally raised like an only child. That motherly instinct didn't come easily for me. And I really struggled with postpartum with my first because it didn't come. And he instantly, if you look at pictures from like the first moments after birth, he's the one like doing skin to skin,

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Yeah. Yeah.

Alena Conley, TRR:

But what I wanna talk about, based on what you just shared, was hubby husband leaving jobs to become a stay at home dad. No, I don't know that my husband has ever referred to himself as a stay-at-Home Dad.'cause we've always actively like worked gigs.

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Yeah, my husband was doing a self-funded search fund, so he still had work that he was doing on the side, but when it came to the day-to-day, responsibilities of owning, getting the kids up, off to school, driving, cooking, cleaning, like laundry, the whole kit, it, it was him.

Alena Conley, TRR:

so I would say he definitely steps it up in that area. It's probably shared

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Oh,

Alena Conley, TRR:

but

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we did. There was mutual, yeah, but it was.

Alena Conley, TRR:

talk to me about even that though, because that in our culture, even though we're seeing it more, which I love. I still think it is a big move and people have to almost like surrender ego to get to that place.

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A thousand percent. I think it's a surrender of ego and then other things. I don't think Matt is rattled. He doesn't, it's not even, it's like he's just not insecure about it. If anything, he's like pretty proud of himself for doing it. When we had our first, he went to back to work two days after, and then when Michael was in the hospital he, we. Rotated. I would go every morning from eight until three, and then he'd go after work for nighttime feeding and then come home. But he didn't, there wasn't much time taken off there either. And there was a lot of, because I was really sick in the hospital. Sorry. So it's like this whole thing. So there's a lot of recovery going on in our family. So it was. Something that I know he like, felt like he really wanted to do, knowing that he'd never get that time back with the boys. And that this was the time to do it because things were starting to go onward and upward for second front. He believes in, the mission that we have. He believed in me and what the role that I was taking on. I think it's just grounded in that mutual respect and desire for your partner to do better and be better each day. And when their moments come, supporting them in that effort,

Alena Conley, TRR:

Yeah.

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Can simultaneously, soar a thousand percent. It's really hard. There's a lot of orchestration and support that needs to go down. But is there a lot of pride and great moments when, you let the other go forth while the other one takes care of the home, so to speak? Yeah. I'm, I like, I've now had a nanny for six months almost six months now. I don't know how we did it. It's oh my God. I'm like. I don't know how he did it. I can't even, I can't wrap my head around it. I just dunno what I'd do without her anymore. And it's just a testament that like Matt and I figured it out and yeah, we have our arguments, but it's not like we were in a bad spot before. He had our nanny. We just

Alena Conley, TRR:

did.

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We were on the grind and we just did it. You just do it right. Yeah it's pretty wild to reflect on that.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Yeah. So when you think about now getting to a place where you've structured your life, where you can go and play this very pivotal role in a startup company, Talk to me about what it looks like to. Go in and almost develop enhanced skillset. So it's like a second act and I don't know, I mean it's probably like your third or fourth act, Into this tech space, coming into a place where you are essentially shaping culture, how did you tackle this season of work differently?

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That's a really good question. I gotta think about that. Something pretty pivotal with the company happened. About a year and a half ago. One of our founders and former president, who was also my boss, had passed away. And I was then taking on the responsibility of all of what he had. Been in charge of, at the company. Not only was it a major loss for me personally a boss, a mentor, father, figure friend, et cetera, there was this other side of it where I had to buck up and become, step in to, a role, to be a leader of the organization and to make sure that, we survived that summer. We set ourselves out for our series A. Of funding and then we got it. It was awesome. But it was towards the end of the summer where I looked in the mirror and I was like, oh boy. I just, I didn't look good. I just was stressed. I could tell I wasn't feeling healthy, and I finally was, fed up with it. I didn't know what I was gonna do about it yet, but I had, I was hopping on a plane to go to DC for his service. I was like, I had to listen to an uplifting podcast and I ended up finding this podcast simply Be podcast, Jessica Swag and she was interviewing Tali Hogan, who is a stylist. And it was just talking about dressing for success essentially. Like how do you want to show up? And it was really neat, that podcast combined with, taking ownership of my taking back my mornings was like a really big thing for me through the summer because we were working so hard. I was staying up late and I wasn't getting up in the morning, so therefore I wasn't working out. I wasn't getting I don't know, I'm just a very, I used to be a very morning person, right? Get up before everyone else. 4 35 o'clock. I. Go to the gym, get my coffee, do some reading, get showered, pick out my outfit, feel ready to tackle the day, knowing that I like already accomplished a bunch of stuff before anyone else gets outta bed. That I had lost, so I had to come back to this moment in fall of 2022 and I just took that ownership on again. And that kind of helped me get into a little bit more control and alignment with how I was running and operating day in and day out. And now there's ebbs and flows. I have, weeks that are great and weeks that are tough. A lot dependent on are the kids sick and keeping me up in the morning and my traveling a lot. Did something, stressful, go down at work and derail what I had planned for the week because now I gotta focus on a higher priority. Life happens, right? But i, for me, at this point in my life and career, have established a baseline and I have enough people to help me, to help myself hold my be accountable for that baseline. Whether it's someone that I work out with regularly, my husband my sister I'll have, I have these individuals in my lives who will help remind me of that stuff. Important stuff coming back to your, groundness, so to speak, because life's gonna throw curve balls.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Yeah. of the things that I'm curious about though, so you take someone like you who, you took back your morning you're doing your thing and you're making an effort to be this whole person. That's showing up for yourself, your kids, as much as you can. When you go into an organization, what does it look like to maintain that in a corporate environment? And so whether it's startup or corporate, big small organization I have been a solopreneur for a decade and maybe two years ago I started working with a small company and we support. Mid to small to mid-size businesses. And so when I'm doing, say for example, leadership training or coaching, some of the feedback that I get is this is great, but this is only effective if my manager gets this training too. Or if this so and so

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Right.

Alena Conley, TRR:

regulation too. So again, it goes back to if my company culture is like ridiculously stressful or they're still subscribing to these things. hard for me to still be like this VIN person. So I guess my question is two part, like for individuals who are listening to this show and they're getting all of this advice, they're taking it they're making efforts, and then they're either going to work and trying to impact organizations positively or they're in environments that are not so great. How do you merge the individual with the organization?

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Yeah. It's funny the company calls me mom a lot anyway'cause I as COO I'm the protector and mama bear

Alena Conley, TRR:

Okay.

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for the company and for the individuals. So it's neat how there's, I would argue there's way too many similarities between being a mom and a COO. That would be a really interesting article or book or podcast.'cause it, it is funny. I feel like I just naturally have stepped into the role because you're constantly staying grounded in the needs of what the company needs while simultaneously oscillating between individuals and trying to get everyone to either know or better understand the larger dynamics that might be at play. I just said I guess it just has naturally been woven in. And then, things that we have done from a cult cultural standpoint to help foster that communicative engagement, that continuous desire for improvement to be better individuals for the company to, get. Or live out our mission. It's tough as a remote company, but it's really been neat to see how we've have figured it out and how it's been working. So we've been fully remote even before the Covid days, so it's been neat slack gather how we plan our annual events and gatherings as we come together as a team. It's just very intentional. And, we. Do the pre-work. We have the conversations and we maximize the time that we have together to get all of those results. So it's been neat to carry, yeah, carry that over. I guess I'm very blessed that it has come somewhat naturally. I'm not saying that it hasn't been challenging just, and it's like being a mom, there's things that come naturally, but that, it doesn't mean that it's easy. It's just you know, or you have the. Inclination to know what needs to get done And it, and yeah, like I said, it can be challenging, but you can you seem to always figure it out in some sense.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Yeah. When you talk about the fact that y'all were already remote, right? And we think The future of work as like a conversation, what are your thoughts on that? What do you feel like work is gonna look like or should look like? In the. Next five years, especially as we see more technology, more ai, do

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Yeah,

Alena Conley, TRR:

it should be remote? Should it be hybrid? What are your, what's your position?

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I think it's dependent on what the. A company is trying to accomplish and the best means to do that and what those requirements might be. Maybe hybrid makes sense. Maybe being all in an office is imperative. Maybe being fully remote doesn't matter just as long as you get to see each other often. To have those in-person engagements'cause magic does ensu from those we all know that to be but that doesn't mean you can't. Still be productive and get things done while being fully remote. For me as a mom, I don't think I could ever not be, have the option to be remote. I don't see myself, that's goes back to my point when I was standing in Salesforce thinking whether or not I wanted to climb the corporate ladder. It was required for me to show up to work every day and be at my office from eight to five. And that's what it was. So in my mind I was like, there's no way I'm gonna be able to work out, have kids, spend time with my husband while having to commute downtown, park my car, get up, sit at my desk all day. No way. I don't know how people did it. At least for me, that just would've been like, I would've had to get up at 3:00 AM and then I would never spend I would have zero downtime. Whereas now. When I'm gone. And it's awesome.'cause my husband has set it up here at the house and with our nanny that we can do that when I'm out of town. And then when I'm here, I'm here, but I'm also, I love that I get to wake up. My boys wake up to me every morning. I pack their lunches, I get them out the door I send them off and then when they come home, I'm still here. And they come and greet me. And yes, I might be wrapping up on work and yes, I might be tucking them in and jumping back on my computer, but it's just way more flexible. So for me I. I, I would need to remain in this, remote. And then if I need to go on site and go to an event and a meeting or whatever, I will make that happen. But I think for some organizations or industries, maybe, fully being there or at least the hybrid is important for whatever it is that they're trying to accomplish. I do think. It also is dependent on who are you trying to attract from a talent standpoint. As we, we talk about technology and stuff like yeah, who, when you're casting your net out to try to attract folks to the organization really honing in and trying to figure out what it is that they value and what it is that's important to them that will bring them in and. And hopefully, get results and better work out of them. I know that was like a, not a definitive answer, a more consultative one.

Alena Conley, TRR:

It was good because, I'm always just like trying to figure out like, what are people doing? Because I know for me it feels like art and a science, and that, and it changes every season. And I think that we've been conditioned to at least, depending on. For me, I will say like my mom worked in project management for the state of Georgia for 30 years and retired with And so what I saw growing up was obviously a lot of stability, it was just this is just like what it is. And I think Worked for her because she had one kid, and what we are seeing now, even as we go through. Her being a grandparent to multiple children. I'm having conversations with her about how, how she raised me as a working mom is very different than what I have to do. And so it's almost like having to learn from other peers because I, my whole life I've been able to model my mom, but now I can't because my mom didn't have multiple kids, and so I'm always just like asking what are y'all doing? And. And so it's interesting. So I'm gonna I gotta just keep asking you some more mom questions now that I'm like here with you. When we think about, I don't know if you've heard about this book called like Mom Fluence, but it is essentially

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No.

Alena Conley, TRR:

tackling, and I haven't even read it, but I read like The Girl, the Author's News column. I read it on Substack before she even came out with the book, she just talks about how. Mom's mom, influencers have cultural impact than maybe they think or are

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Oh yeah.

Alena Conley, TRR:

of,

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yeah.

Alena Conley, TRR:

of how they show up perfectly. Like she always gets on, you know do you follow a ballerina farm?

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No.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Okay, so you gotta go follow her.'cause once I found her, I was like, oh my God, I see why people are obsessed with this page. But she's basically like this lady who, her and her husband, bought all this land on the farm. They have six or seven kids. They like make

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Oh my word.

Alena Conley, TRR:

food from scratch every day. Like she has like flawless skin. But the point is even in this simplicity, it's like these curated experiences that

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Yeah.

Alena Conley, TRR:

feel like they gotta do this. And now, we have, from a content standpoint, organization, content, all the plastic things, you gotta stack your refrigerator a certain way, or you gotta organize your house or you gotta clean. So it's like you see these things. And people then judge their life based on that. And so in coaching, I'm having to constantly remind people like content cur curating or content creation is a. Full job. So if you see somebody cleaning up their children's room, that doesn't mean they're actually doing it. They're doing it for content. So you can't like judge your life based off what however, you can take like the meat of what feels good to you in terms of oh, like that's a good mom hack. And In

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yeah,

Alena Conley, TRR:

and age of social media. a lot to learn, but there's also like a lot to just guard yourself when it comes to judging yourself as a

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yeah.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Go ahead.

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no, I was just gonna say, I took a break from social media for almost three and a half years.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Oh wow. That's impressive.

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I didn't post or engage sorry. I didn't get back onto social media until last year. Mainly because I had our marketing director at the time, she came to me, she's Hey, we should probably get your name out there. And I was like, what do you mean? And she's woman in defense tech, you've got a lot of great stories to tell. A mom you've transitioned from private sector into kind of public sector focused work. Dah. I was like, okay, I'll test a couple things out. I'm not leaning in hard here. I don't have the time. And then. It was neat. We started working with a marketing agency simply be and started thinking about what is my brand and how does that tie back to what I do at second front and how can that benefit the organization and the people working here and our investors, et cetera, at a see, sides of me that they might not otherwise get exposure to. To, ensure that this is a reputable place a desire, a desirable place to work, et cetera. So now I, I've used it for good, but before I got back on, I really curated who I follow how long I stay on it, et cetera. Because yeah, I mean that three and a half year break, it just. I felt bad it was while I was ramping up here. I didn't have very many friends who worked wanted to be, working mom. I think all moms are working moms. We can talk about that later. But in the sense of what, I think everyone assumes that terms to mean having a full-time job while also being a mom. Yeah, I just. Mom, influencers. It's tough. I've saw a shift a little bit in the last year, though. You have ones that mock them to an extent. Or just like real about the realities showing up unfiltered, in the car. They're all ready to go to something, but their kids, whatever, spills all over them and they don't have an extra shirt. Just like funny things like that. So that stuff I follow'cause the humor and it's good to see that okay, cool, I'm not failing. But to your point, there are some other great things out there like the mom hacks and things that you do wanna follow. But yeah, you gotta protect yourself in some, to some extent or figure out what does empower you. And impact you in a positive frame mindset versus things that kind of make you feel bad or thinking that you're either lessen or not showing up in, in some manner or fashion.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Yeah, and I think that's a good point. I think that. And I bring this up and I've started to have the conversation again around social. I bring it up a lot because I don't think people realize how much is impacting them, even on a subconscious level.

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Oh

Alena Conley, TRR:

you,

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thousand percent.

Alena Conley, TRR:

and I'm like always curious okay, what is your relationship with social? And I, I love when people take breaks. Three and a half years is very impressive because I also just would be super nosy what's going on in the world?

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Yeah.

Alena Conley, TRR:

I've seen a lot of people have similar experiences as you, where not really active and then their companies are coming and saying way to attract clients is to have influence, right? And to have a brand. And so people are like torn because they're like. I'm not trying to like really show my kids or my home life, but I realize that there's value in you seeing like my work or like how I speak. And so just trying to figure out like the new balance of giving people enough, but then also not letting it like consume.

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Not too much out. Yeah. I try to keep I, I like to stay lighter on topics. There's a guy once knew he's got a book out there about social media. It's called Light Bright and Polite. And I, learned about that like 10 plus years ago, and it's just always resonated with me. Yes, I have strong opinions about stuff and I will have conversations about maybe contentious topics, but I'll have it with the individual, maybe one-on-one or with, a group in person. I'm not. I'm not in the business of trying to ruffle feathers. There's a lot of stuff I don't know. I'm constantly trying to edu my educate myself as are you. I saw your post about all the books you read in 2023. I'm very much like yourself.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Yeah.

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just constantly trying to learn things. And then I think too, having conversations like this will help to allow for some of those topics to percolate and that you'll want to share because you have a good perspective. It's a positive one and it might be of help to another person. That's how I think about all the things that I converse about. I'll talk about events we have going on at the company or like what it means to be a working mom or I experience while traveling and trying to juggle all of the things. And just try to hear from other folks and how they approach it or Hey, we're rolling out a new tool for engagement at the company. Has anyone used this? Like I just, I try to keep it light.'cause for me. We all know how things can spiral outta control. You can unwittingly offend someone. I would hate to do that. And for me, if you wanna make a true yes, social media, it's meant to be social, to make connections. What's been neat is because of. The approach that I've been able to take this last year. It's been neat to see the dms have come through and the further the, those connections have been made, but the really goodness has always been behind the scenes. One-on-one that like most people don't even know about,

Alena Conley, TRR:

Yeah. Yeah, that's That's really good advice. As we wrap of the things that been focusing on is building within my practice, this model of going deep and wide. And it's something that I'm, that I've done in my own life and that I'm encouraging my clients to look at. And so what that means is this going deep is like self-mastery, right? So maybe like the first, sometimes two, first one or two years in coaching it is that self-development, that self-discovery, depending on like how deep people have really gone to really have the self-awareness and the work that needs to be done. Once you've gotten to a place where you really feel comfortable, like in your identity, in your purpose, in your alignment, then asking your question. You're asking yourself the question around what is all of this for? And pushing them to then think about what is the impact that they wanna make, right? So it's

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Yep.

Alena Conley, TRR:

that I understand why I'm here, how do I go forth and serve Lead change. And so for you, talk to me about that going, why, like what kind of impact would you say you want to have?

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Yeah, the mantra I've been living by for a while now is just leading it better than I found it.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Leading it better than I found it.

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yeah.

Alena Conley, TRR:

I love

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There's always room for improvement and much to what you say, which is why I was so excited to, to join you today. You have to lead yourself before you can lead others. I too feel the same, but you also have this responsibility too to better yourself, to better, the situations that you're. Coming into, whether it's helping folks, one-on-one and executive coaching, leading smaller teams, being just a good teammate or a mom, right? Like I, I, admittedly the other day I'm, unfortunately, I'm gonna be really vulnerable here. I'm, sometimes I'm a yelling mom, I'll raise my voice. And I. And my oldest son did it to my younger son and I was like, oh no. I was like, epic mom, fail. So I had, it was actually this morning, I had a conversation with my oldest son and I was like, Hey Leo I'm gonna make a deal with you. We're gonna go five days and you're gonna listen. The first time I say something and I'm not gonna yell at you. Then you and I are gonna go and get some Legos. But it needs to be five consecutive days. So if we both fail, it starts over. He was like, okay, I don't know if it's stuck, I gotta talk to him after school. But, we tried it this morning. He did, 90% of the time, less than the first time. So I'm gonna give him, I'm gonna give him the 100 so far for today. But it was just like it doesn't have to be big things is my point, right? To make a difference. It's actually the little things that, that matter more for your husband, your children, your teams it's just are you just being that much better each day with each engagement each time you show up? So that would be. My, my mantra and thing that I'd wanna share. And it is the thing that I try to, live by not perfect, but I am trying.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Yeah. Yeah. we had to do some rapid fire questions really quickly. All right.

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yeah.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Do you have any favorite podcasts? I know you shared one

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Oh yeah. For business type stuff, I like acquire the acquired podcast. That's a good one. But for, I am having been in the fitness industry as a fitness instructor, someone who want, enjoys working out, I would consider that my fun. My dear friend Katie Saltzman has a podcast called Crying Burns Calories.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Okay.

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It's just so great. It's. She has little hype sessions that she'll share. They're like eight, maybe 20 minute episodes, and then she'll do interviews and then she'll go on tangents about one thing or another. But it's just health and wellness focus geared toward working women trying to. Show up for work, but feeling and knowing that maybe there's something in their health that needs to also be addressed, whether it's nutrition, fitness, and movement, all, what all is encompassing in health mental, et cetera. It's just so positive and she's hilarious. And just, a light so those would be my two that I would suggest to folks. Yeah.

Alena Conley, TRR:

those out. I'm gonna put those on my list.

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Oh yeah. You'll love Katie's.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Are you a reader? Do you do books, audio books? Anything that you absolutely

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I do both. It depends on the content that I'm reading. If I'm just trying to consume something because someone said to read it and they're like, oh, you'll enjoy it, or something like that. I'll do audio and I'll, as I go on my daily walk, I'll throw that on or I'll listen to a podcast.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Yeah.

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If it's. Like self-help esque, Love to do. I get the actual book'cause I like journal in it and I bend the pages and I make notes and I'll go back to it. I try to balance between self-help and like business. I used to be in a book club and that's where I used to get my. Nonfiction. Yeah, I should probably get back into it, but I did with the boys recently while traveling. We, we were started listening to Harry Potter in the car maybe we'll rotate five and two.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Okay. Okay, so what books do you have? Any favorite, like self-help books or business books?

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Yeah. So let me look at my bookshelf back here. One of my favorites that's super easy and anyone could use is exactly what to say by Phil m Jones. It's just like a sales oriented book. Talks about the magic of words and phraseology and how that, carries over into more positive, constructive conversations and communication, which is obviously can be utilized in all relationships, not just business. And we were starting to map out our mission, vision, values, and then. Put performance reviews and performance management and all that stuff into play. I was referencing books like Radical Candor, smart Growth, nine Lies About Work all those kind of staples, if you will, for just company culture and things to think about and to take into consideration. Yeah, those would be the ones that kind of stick out the most right now.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Okay. you've talked about your morning routine a little bit, but I'm curious,

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Yeah,

Alena Conley, TRR:

do you have like a shutdown or evening routine that kind of says all.

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I need to start doing that. Yes, I probably should. Morning routine, a lot of that came into place because of I did Daniel Le Port's Desire Map. And then I also read how Al Rod's miracle Morning. So those two kind of influence, like the morning how I start my day, I am trying to adopt the, be off of the screen for an hour before going to bed. I have a cup of cinnamon tea with my husband and I try to read a book for, 30 minutes and let that put me to sleep, not me trying to see how many more emails I can get completed out of my inbox.

Alena Conley, TRR:

Yeah. I have just loved this conversation, Chrissy. It has just been a delight to talk to who is really crafting their life. My program is called Life Crafting, and so to really have almost like an example or a case study of what it looks like has been awesome. And I'm sure that those tuning in have gotten some ideas on. How we can go forth and do the same. So thank you for joining us.

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Thank you. I really appreciate you having me. And yeah, until next time,

Alena Conley, TRR:

Until next time. All right guys. Chrissy, share with us where they can find you.

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On LinkedIn, Chrissy McGarry you can find me there or on Instagram. I'm Chrissy Klau McGarry, so C-H-R-I-S-S-Y-K-L-A-U-E-R. And then McGarry, M-C-G-A-R-R-Y. So those would be the two places.

Alena Conley, TRR:

All

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Thanks.

Alena Conley, TRR:

one.

All right. So we just listened to the interview with Chrissy McGarry, which was really a great interview for me. I didn't know much about Chrissy. She and her team reached out to me a couple of months ago and just said that she's all about work life harmony. And she just pretty much said, I want to. Spread the message of work life harmony. I think that is part of my contribution to the world. I want to tell my story. I know that's what you do. And I just want to be able to contribute my voice and my experience to your audience. So I thought that was really dope. And there was a lot that came out of that conversation that I. feel was particularly aligned with my life crafting program. And I know you had the opportunity to really learn more about life crafting in our most recent workshop, your first TRR workshop, but what were, what was like something that stood out to you in her interview? You know what? One of the first things that came to mind, while listening to the interview, I was thinking, what if we had more leaders like this? This woman who understands the value of balance and also, like, different seasons. Like, in life, we sometimes, it's, you've said this, sometimes it's more about work, sometimes it's more about family. Just imagine if we had more leaders or if we all worked for leaders who understood and valued that. So that was the first thing. And then the main thing that I just love, because I felt like it was. What's the word I want to use like a promo for what you're doing this season the year of you she talked about right off like choosing herself and Continuing the theme that you have to take care of yourself or you take care of others Yeah, and honestly, Monica, I think that again speaks to my goal, especially for this season is if we can develop great humans, if we can really kind of create awareness around leading oneself, going through your own experience, that hopefully it would transition into how people lead others, almost like a generational shift or like a paradigm shift around what work looks like. One of the things that we talked about was even the physical change post COVID, right? It's okay. This is how work absolutely used to be. There was no real wiggle room around it, but the pandemic showed us that, Oh, we can be hybrid or we can be remote. And I think that even a lot of HR departments are having to think differently about Not just the physical environment, but the expectation of organizations respecting your mental health. Me and my family took a mental health break yesterday for the first time ever. And I just was like, man, like this is truly life crafting. Like, this is me saying, these are my core principles. These are, this is what I value. And I'm making decisions based on that. I do think that it would improve organizational health. One of the reasons why I started partnering with the Kyra company two years ago was because I saw a lot of individual clients coming to me and 95 percent of what they wanted to work through were things that were happening in the work environment. And I kept thinking, man, it's cool that they're getting the individual work to essentially learn how to manage themselves to manage work. But what if the organization was taking a more of this top down approach to make sure that their employees had this, like, it wasn't just something that you had to go out and find your own coach. Like everybody had. This level of support in the organization, truly, not just in the pamphlet, like truly had it. And so that was my mission. I want to get into more organizations. And that's when I really went to Kyra and was like, I want to help create this line of business within your organization, where we're looking at coaching and people development from an organizational standpoint. So that we can have more impact because the reality is coaching is a luxury, like it is a luxury. It's extra and many people are even considering like therapy and spiritual healing or whatever Reiki. It's like all of these different things that are investments. And so if we could create more policy around having this stuff where people are spending most of their time, we could see more of a change. Some of the things that stood out to me though, and going back to this idea of life crafting was when she talked about how she, her friend said, you need to be more than, right? And so she went and found core power yoga. And I fell in love with it and realized I really enjoy this. I like the way that I feel when I do this. And so as I'm going back to my default of work mode, how can I make sure that I'm continuing to craft my life in a way that supports the things that I've now identified as things that I value? So she said, I made it where I built my work schedule around my 6am class. And that's exactly what we teach in lifecrafting, identifying those things so that everything that you do is not just orbiting around work, but now everything is orbiting around your values. And I know in the workshop, we showed a comparison image of somebody who work is in the center and everything orbits around it. And then the transition in lifecrafting is you're in the center and everything you choose orbits around that. And that model stood out. To you, as you were listening to her, what do you feel is like a practical approach to starting to transition from just like work being everything? You know what I think about one of, I think about one of our friends told me I was having issues at work. I was trying to find balance, like this thing of work life balance that we try to find. And I remember I was talking to her and she said something to me, which was. You have to fight for the work life balance, just like you make room, make time to get the things done. You fight to make things happen in your career when it comes to the pleasurable things in life or the rest. You have to make time, make moves and fight for those to happen in your life. And then at some point it becomes second nature. And you would think that you wouldn't have to say that to yourself. Oh, I have to Make room for these things, but you really do you have to make an effort and I think that in the interview she really Talked about that. Talked about how she had to wake up at 5 a. m. to get to this class and to do this. So I think that's just one of the biggest lessons in trying to find the zen, find the balance is that, especially in the beginning, you have to just, you won't miss the deadlines at work. You know, the things that are important to you or that are going to bring you peace and rest. You have to fight for those. Yeah, for sure. And getting very clear on what those things are. And I think that the seasonal approach that I advocate for is There are going to be like a ton of things that you want to do and you may not be able to do them all right away. So we talk about that kind of scaled up approach. We talked about that in the interview where it's okay. Yeah. I want to have, like, when I do my meditations and I see my future self, I have all of. I had this huge picture, but that doesn't mean it's all going to come in 2024. And so if I had to get very clear and actionable around what feels like I can tackle it this year and be successful, that's where I'm like, okay, if I have 10 things that I value, and right now the top three are faith, family and football or whatever it is, then like, how do I align? My calendar with that my energy And then build up from there Now something that she brought up and I think I even said oh, this is a topic that we really need to dig into But sometimes i'm like a little bit afraid because I don't want to be offensive but she talks about like the role of her husband and how she really wouldn't have been able to kind of build this second phase of her career almost like her act two or three or whatever act it is if she didn't have That unwavering support number one for her husband to say it's time for you to go back to work not because of money but because I see you seeping through the cracks and I think that there's something to be said for Also fighting for the type of partner that you want. And so I've had friends who have asked me blatantly, do you think that I should just marry for money at this point? I'm single, I'm 35 plus, like I waited this long. I don't want to be with somebody that just can't support me. And I think that. There is two sides to the coin when it comes to cultivating relationship. Number one, I've heard many times over and I fully support this. The person that you choose to marry or be with is probably like your most important life decision, business decision. Ever. I think so. Like it's so important and it's not something that can just be based on one factor, one factor being money. And so does money like, make life easier? Absolutely. Whoever told you that it doesn't is just lying, right? However, what I'll say is Is as cliche as it sound money comes and goes, especially if you're dealing with someone who, is entrepreneurial or does work in risky or high paying roles where a stock could be trading here and y'all in cryptocurrency or whatever, killing it, y'all making millions of dollars, and then it's down tomorrow, right? Or you may meet somebody, you're dating somebody. And you're meeting them in the high point of their career. Like things are going well, but then by the time y'all get married, they get laid off or they get fired and you see this other version of them. That's very different than the person you dated. Cause you've never seen them in a low season. And so I think that when it comes to. Looking at the things that you value in a human and in a partner, that's something that has to be crafted as well, because to me is less about the value of the bank account from today. Cause that true, that's something we know for sure. Like it will fluctuate, but it's like, who, what is, what are their personal values that. show you that they're going to love you unconditionally. And that's something that I know me and you have talked about me and Prince gearing up for an interview soon, but I think I'm going to call it unconditional love because To me, it's about finding someone who truly in the highs and lows, even though they will change, you all evolve. There are fundamental things that you guys believe in. And so she mentioned in this episode, Chrissy said that her husband, he valued her ambition. He valued her desire to have an impact in work, but he also values his family. So if that meant him stepping in, And cooking and cleaning and doing all these things. It's like, you're looking at the bigger picture than just like these gender roles that we sometimes see. And so that was just like a huge moment for me, because I think that as people have, I think. If I had to think about it now, because when I really started coaching, I was already married. And so I didn't dig as deep into that part, but I have had clients who come specifically for relationships. And when I think about the life crafting model specifically for cultivating true relationships, it would be finding those core values that money or no money, sick or not sick. That shit is still going to show up. So for you being on the opposite side, so as you're thinking about as a single person and like the choices that you have to make, maybe without having this partner to fall back on, like how did that segment of the show resonate with you? I was happy to hear her talk about that. I think she said her husband had the confidence to do it or like that, you know, wasn't afraid to do it. Um, As a single girl, I have quite a few friends that are married and quite a few that are still single. But what, the one thing that I have noticed is that the more and more we talk about the load that we're all carrying, I see my married friends, even if they had husbands who were, The traditional head of the household husband. Now they're pitching in a little bit more because it goes back to what you were saying that maybe when they entered this, that wasn't what they thought, but fundamentally they love their wife. They love their family and they want the wellbeing of those people. And so sometimes that means stepping in and doing the things. That you may not have seen yourself do or the things that don't come naturally. And so I think as a single person, it really does put into perspective, as you're looking for a partner, this is someone who. You, I guess it's the other thing to add to the list if you're, if you, if I'm being quite honest, this list of things that you have as a single girl, I guess this is now the thing, like, partner willing to do the dishes, partner willing to blur the lines on gender roles, you know? Yeah, and I think that the other piece of it that we do a lot of work in, or that I think is a skill that really comes with maturity and age is this kind of effective communication as you cultivate relationships, and this is across relationships with your girlfriends or building relationships with your Your children's teacher is like communication is probably the number one skill that we all have to develop as we mature, but within the relationship and even in the example, she talked about just having a very honest conversation. With her multiple times, right? Okay. Do you want to go up the corporate ladder because I'm considering a move here? Or do you want to, are you ready to go back to the workplace? And does it make more sense for me to come home? Being able to effectively communicate, but also actively listen. And sometimes the listening is. To body language, right? It's looking at your partner and seeing things that they're not saying. And so the more that we can cultivate those skills, which is something that as part of life crafting, we talk about crafting your village or cultivating communication. It's something that to me is. The number one skill, and I've even seen this in the work environment. You can have two spectacular employees, but if y'all don't know how to talk to each other, or if you don't know how to influence other people's vulnerability with your own, then you'll never get like the authentic version of them. And so to me, that was another. Takeaway was there's gotta be great communication happening for her to be this valued working mom and essentially run a whole company.'cause we all know that CEOs, they're divisionary, but the COOs are the ones that are really just like running the thing, right? And so she had pretty young kids too. So I'm sure that effective communication is something that she's had to. Really lean into some wonderful. So some great takeaways from today's episode. If you have not already, we have some amazing free tools and resources available for you on the. It is the year of you resource list. So you have missed such a wonderful workshop, which we'll probably recap sooner than later, but on the resource list, I have a ton of ways that you can just get a little bit more in tune with yourself. So from books to podcasts, to articles, to courses, it's all there. So go and grab that from thereminderremedy. com If you're considering coaching, if you want to get in here and figure out how you can create more harmony between work and home, improve your communication, cultivate your relationships, I encourage you to sign up for a consult. Let's chat. Just a 20 minute chat to learn if coaching could be a good fit for you. And we will see you in the next episode. Thank you, Monica. Thank you. Bye. thank you for tuning in to yet another episode of the reminder remedy. 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Thank you for tuning in to yet another episode of the reminder remedy. If you haven't already, be sure to follow us on Instagram at the reminder remedy, as well as my personal page at Alina Conley and check out our latest workshops and resources at the reminder remedy.

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